PDA

View Full Version : WRF Case 1: M. Schumacher vs. Hakkinen - Macau 1990 (Open)


JoStream
20th Jul 2006, 11:39 AM
The following is a rare footage from the on-track battle between Michael Schumacher and Mika Hakkinen at Macau 1990 during their Formula 3 times.

VvWq29WjFOs&NR

Take a close look at it, and as a collective group, we will attempt to find which party is guilty, that is if there is a guilty party.

F1 Today
20th Jul 2006, 09:39 PM
I’ve seen this clip a few times before, and I still believe that Mika Hakkinen is to blame because he pulled out too late to overtake Schumacher. I can’t see how he was going to make the overtake work.

JoStream
21st Jul 2006, 09:25 AM
This is one view of the Macau incident as described by Ville Kopu of Finland:

During the final laps through the heat Schumacher made a mistake and Hakkinen was right on his gearbox coming on to the main straight. With both men going at around 200 km/h, Hakkinen attempted a pass. Apparently, that did not fit in with Schumacher's plans, and he blocked Hakkinen on the straight. The two cars made contact, and Hakkinen lost a front wing, spinning into the barrier. Schumacher cruised into a victory without a rear wing.

This Macau incident was not a championship decider. But looking back retrospectively, the pattern of Schumacher's behaviour when under great pressure can be traced back all the way to Macau 1990, including the inevitable interviews after the race, where Schumacher is quick to blame his rival for the incident. In Macau, he said that Hakkinen was simply crazy to not just follow him conveniently to the checkered flag, and win on aggregated times...

It seems very peculiar to me that Mika Hakkinen gained more speed through slipstream than he expected.

Lincoln Chan offers the following explanation in his article about the history of the Macau GP:

However, on the last corner of the last lap, Schumacher deliberately exposed an opening for Hakkinen to pass. But when Hakkinen drove through it to take the lead, Schumacher slammed his car into the Flying Finn and knocked him out of the race. Hakkinen was forced to retire right in front of the finish line.

Mika Hakkinen himself said:

All I need to do was finish second behind Michael. That was my plan, and it was easy. Then Michael made a mistake coming out of the corner onto the straight and I had no problem passing him. He moved over on my before the braking area and we touched. Afterwards he said he was very sorry because he hadn't seen me in his mirrors. I accept that and it was over. A few days later, I saw an interview with Michael on Eurosport after the race. He said in the interview that when he saw me in his mirrors, he changed his line to block me....I will always remember that

This coincides with my impression that Schumacher seems to become slightly slower towards the end of the straight, the incident Hakkinen moves over.

As a result, it seems to me that Michael Schumacher moved inwards to block Hakkinen in the braking zone (the end of the straight), leaving the Finn no choice but to smash into his rear.
:shock:

F1 Today
21st Jul 2006, 08:26 PM
If Hakkinen’s plan was to finish second, why was he so close to Schumacher throughout the whole clip?

JoStream
21st Jul 2006, 08:58 PM
He had to stay within 3 seconds of Schumacher, and if you're presented with an opportunity (i.e. Schuey mistake), why wouldn't you take it?

F1 Today
21st Jul 2006, 09:32 PM
Of course you would go for the gap, but then you wouldn’t be sticking to the plan. He chose to go against the plan and lost out.

Anthony
21st Jul 2006, 09:35 PM
Schumacher doesn't make mistakes

JoStream
22nd Jul 2006, 12:14 AM
Of course you would go for the gap, but then you wouldn’t be sticking to the plan. He chose to go against the plan and lost out.

That's true, but would you have really braked if you had the chance, not knowing that Michael is the kind of person that would not let you pass? If Michael had a loose wheel nut and was running half the usual speed, would you stay behind him and watch the rest of the field pass? You're right, he saw a chance that he really didn't need to make use of, but in the end he did. The question is who was to blame for the collision itself :?

Schumacher doesn't make mistakes

Well he personally admits he's made mistakes, and there's not enough space to list them, but let me take the most recent one: I'm assuming the Monaco incident was because of the tyres, right? :lol:

carlramskill
22nd Jul 2006, 10:53 AM
I'm assuming the Monaco incident was because of the tyres, right?

It was because Minardi has resorted to witchcraft to win a race.

JoStream
26th Jan 2007, 09:48 PM
A WRF verdict is pending. Are there any more views on the incident before the issue is put the vote?

So if anybody has some more insight, please go ahead and share :D

Harakimi
2nd Apr 2007, 05:24 PM
I see Schumi blocking Mika's manouver, then Mika hits and spins to wall. You shouldn't do blocks like that on straight so I think it's Schumi to blame.

He did same kind of blocks at f1 also. One fine example is here where after Eau Rouge Schumi blocks Mika, who ain't happy as you see, but gets his revenge on next lap :D

-sorry the file is not allowed here. please check spa 2000 between schumacher and häkkinen-

EIR Loe.307
4th Oct 2007, 02:34 AM
I'm a big Shumi fan but I think you would almost have to blame both. Shumi for the block and Mika for not going for the "smart" win on the clock. Most drivers aren't wanting a timed win, they want to finish first. Can't blame the guy for wanting to get by.

EIR Loe.307
17th Oct 2007, 05:44 AM
We should poll and close this one too. :lol:

I mean lock this one. DUH!! :rolleyes:

JoStream
15th Nov 2007, 11:15 PM
We should poll and close this one too. :lol:

I mean lock this one. DUH!! :rolleyes:

OK, with all arguments presented the case has been opened to the public for voting. If you have any further arguments you would like to present, the floor is yours :)

EIR Loe.307
16th Nov 2007, 12:38 AM
I voted Mika ONLY because he could have pulled back and still won by being the smarter racer. Similar to Hamilton this year, the title was his to lose.

F1 Ferrari
30th Dec 2007, 02:50 PM
Monaco 2006 Qualifying Schumacher parking place :D

JoStream
30th Dec 2007, 04:34 PM
Monaco 2006 Qualifying Schumacher parking place :D

Really sounds like a keyword search :lol: ;)

EIR Loe.307
6th Mar 2008, 02:54 AM
Any new input on this one??

JoStream
8th Mar 2008, 08:36 PM
Any new input on this one??

This one doesn't want to go either way. If anybody hasn't voted yet, please do so and perhaps explain your point of view :thumbsup: