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JoStream

26th Jul 2006, 06:06 PM

There is a lot of information beneath 56 years of Formula 1 history.

The following is a picture taken during a race during the 1960s. In this History Mystery, we are trying to find out:

1. Who is the driver in car number 6?
2. Who is following him?
3. During which season was this picture taken?

JoStream

9th Aug 2006, 12:33 PM

Alright, since nobody has been able to make an educated guess, I'll release the first hint by narrowing down the timeframe.

The picture was taken between 1960 and 1965. Go ahead and give it a shot :)

carlramskill

9th Aug 2006, 05:18 PM

I don't know, because I wasn't born then.

JoStream

9th Aug 2006, 05:21 PM

Well just cause you weren't born before World War II doesn't mean you don't know who Hitler is :? . C'mon try to find out and give it a shot, you might get it right and win the first case of the History Mystery.

carlramskill

9th Aug 2006, 05:22 PM

1962.

And Hitler who?

JoStream

9th Aug 2006, 05:26 PM

There are three questions you need to figure out. I'll wait a bit until I respond to the 1962 answer, to give other people a chance. Look around the net, maybe some historical racing magazines for information about this picture.

Hitler my new helmet visor, it comes with a mustache opening for better airflow. :lol: :P

carlramskill

10th Aug 2006, 07:00 PM

I'll wait a bit until I respond to the 1962 answer

But I'm so desperate to know.

Carlis

10th Aug 2006, 11:36 PM

Hmm... Is Jim Clark the driver in the #8 car? :oops:

F1 Today

12th Aug 2006, 05:44 PM

Hmmm...

I've found a similar picture that was dated 1962.

So....

To answer the questions, I think...

1. Who is the driver in car number 6? Maurice Trintignant
2. Who is following him? Jim Clark
3. During which season was this picture taken? 1962

carlramskill

12th Aug 2006, 06:12 PM

Hang on...does that mean that my 1962 answer was right?!?

Holy crap!

GET IN THERE MY SON! YOU BEAUTY!

F1 Today

12th Aug 2006, 06:27 PM

Hang on...does that mean that my 1962 answer was right?!?

Holy crap!

GET IN THERE MY SON! YOU BEAUTY!

No, I'm just guessing.

JoStream

12th Aug 2006, 09:57 PM

1. Who is the driver in car number 6? Maurice Trintignant
2. Who is following him? Jim Clark
3. During which season was this picture taken? 1962

Hmm... Is Jim Clark the driver in the #8 car?

Interesting answers :)

I think we can all agree that the two cars are identical, at least they look like it.

This picture was not taken in 1962.

The current numbering system for cars has only been in place since 1973. This makes this case more difficult, as before 1973, drivers had different number at each Grand Prix.

What we do know is that the picture was taken at Zandvoort, Holland. :wink:

carlramskill

14th Aug 2006, 04:30 PM

This picture was not taken in 1962.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

JoStream

14th Aug 2006, 10:50 PM

This picture was not taken in 1962.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

It's not all over just yet :)

carlramskill

15th Aug 2006, 06:16 PM

It's not all over just yet

Yay.

F1 Today

16th Aug 2006, 09:45 PM

Is it 1965?

JoStream

17th Aug 2006, 05:15 PM

Well, apparently this is a shot of Jim Clark (No. 6) and Jack Brabham (No. 8) at the Dutch Grand Prix in 1964. I'm kind of surprised about this :shock:

The archives don't list Jim Clark as having gone into this Grand Prix with that car number (officially at least).

Archives show that Jim Clark was quite often in a No. 6 car throughout his career. It can be narrowed down to the following cases (where his team mate had No. 8)

1963 Dutch Grand Prix (Trevor Taylor / No. 8)
1965 Dutch Grand Prix (Mike Spence / No. 8)

:?:

F1 Today

19th Aug 2006, 08:10 PM

I'm going to say 1965 so that it makes me right.

JoStream

21st Aug 2006, 05:25 PM

But we need to establish that the image is from 1965 :p . There has to be another clue in the picture :rolleyes:

This mystery was never solved. Maybe we can pick it up again :)

EIR Loe.307

22nd Oct 2007, 12:07 AM

Well, apparently this is a shot of Jim Clark (No. 6) and Jack Brabham (No. 8) at the Dutch Grand Prix in 1964. I'm kind of surprised about this :shock:

Wait, you mean that wasn't the answer???

JoStream

22nd Oct 2007, 12:10 AM

Wait, you mean that wasn't the answer???

Nope :(, we were able to narrow it down to:

1963 Dutch Grand Prix (Trevor Taylor / No. 8)
1965 Dutch Grand Prix (Mike Spence / No. 8)

NetOz

22nd Oct 2007, 04:32 PM

Jim Clark on the number 8 car- Lotus
Denny Hulme on the number 6 car- Repco Brabham
Dutch grand prix in 1967

Ryan

22nd Oct 2007, 04:46 PM

Jim Clark on the number 8 car- Lotus
Denny Hulme on the number 6 car- Repco Brabham
Dutch grand prix in 1967

No.

That is clearly not a Lotus 49. The Lotus 49 had the engine as the rear structure of the car.

NetOz

22nd Oct 2007, 04:51 PM

No.

That is clearly not a Lotus 49. The Lotus 49 had the engine as the rear structure of the car.
Yes you are correct, this cars seems to be between 1960 and 1965

Ryan

22nd Oct 2007, 04:54 PM

It's definitely 1965 Dutch GP.

Jim Clark in No.6 and Mike Spence in No.8

The car is a Lotus 33. The distinguishing feature from the Lotus 25 used in 1963 was that in 1965 the Lotus 33 had a small cover over the engine (visible in the picture). While the Lotus 25 did not.

Ryan

4th Dec 2007, 01:44 AM

Is my guess right or wrong?

JoStream

4th Dec 2007, 10:26 AM

Is my guess right or wrong?

I don't know the answer. I thought I did, but it turned out to be wrong.

We then narrowed it down, and two members have suggested that it is one of the two: The 1965 Dutch Grand Prix with Jim Clark and Mike Spence in the picture :)

EIR Loe.307

4th Dec 2007, 10:44 AM