Who'll Make the 2008 U.S. Presidential Race? [Archive]

JoStream

22nd Feb 2007, 08:31 PM

There are already quite a few in the FEC bucket that are hoping to make it into the official nomination bucket of their respective parties.

You have (at the moment) John Edwards and Barack Obama among the more known ones for the Democrats, and Rudy Giuliani (former NY Mayor) for the Republicans.

Hilary Clinton has yet to apply for FEC approval, but it is expected that she will run for President.

What's your bet? This is the first time there is not incumbent President running :eek: . Will it be the first African-American or first woman? Or maybe neither?

saltysurprise

22nd Feb 2007, 09:24 PM

If it turned out to be a race between Obama and Guiliani, which it could very well be, I'd actually tune in with interest (unlike MANY previous times). I think they are both worthy of the chance, and that either would do a much better job than some others have in recent memory..:rolleyes:

If this were the case, in all honesty, it would be advantage Guiliani.

How's that two party system working out:confused: ....

My 2cents.

Salty out...

JoStream

24th Mar 2007, 11:36 PM

Any news on this front, haven't been following it really...

saltysurprise

25th Mar 2007, 12:02 AM

Naw, not really. But I haven't really been paying much attention either. I'd wait awhile until the turd chucking really heats up:lol: .

There's been talk of an election here lately with the new Federal Budget being released last week. But that's hardly world news:rolleyes: .

Krazy-K

25th Mar 2007, 12:08 AM

There's this video online causing a whole lot of trouble for obama, as far as i can remember it said somewhere that a guy who used to work for obama did it. Can't remember any other details. Video is pretty cool though:

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saltysurprise

25th Mar 2007, 12:16 AM

toledo47

28th May 2007, 02:28 PM

hopefully Mitt Romney won't make it.

saltysurprise

29th May 2007, 02:30 AM

hopefully Mitt Romney won't make it.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. The guy is a complete whack-job and everybody knows it. The only people that don't are his fellow whack-job's, and even half of them don't want him to be president. Who's next on the weirdo for prez list, Tom Cruise?
No one in their right mind would vote for Mitt. But hey, I think I said that about Dubya:rolleyes:

EIR Loe.307

2nd Nov 2007, 03:00 AM

Here is a list of the current Democratic Candidates: (Alphabetical)

Joe Biden, U.S. Senator from Delaware

Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York and former First Lady
Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator from Connecticut

John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina and 2004 Democratic Vice Presidential candidate

Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska

Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio

Barack Obama, U.S. Senator from Illinois

Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico and former Secretary of Energy

EIR Loe.307

2nd Nov 2007, 03:02 AM

And the current list of Republicans:

Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City

Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas

Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California

Alan Keyes, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council

John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona

Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas and 1988 Libertarian Presidential nominee

Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts

Tom Tancredo, U.S. Representative from Colorado

Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee

EIR Loe.307

2nd Nov 2007, 03:10 AM

I have to say that I'm pretty much Republican but not in the sense that many of these guy are. I like Ron Paul but I fear that he's a bit too extreme to be electable. I agree with alot of his views and ideas. I am deathly afraid of Rudy G. getting elected. He's entirley too close to 9/11 and is far to militant for the good of this country and the world. I had been a John McCain fan until he started moving away from his views. He's making a move back to the old McCain, so we'll see.

As much as people are getting behind Hillary, I can't possibly see the country that elected Bush, TWICE, electing her or Obama. I'd hate to see her as president anyway. I don't think she's trustworthy at all. (Not that any of the others really are) It's a hard choice.

I would like to see Jon Stewart run and maybe Al Gore. :D

http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008/comparethem.html to compare

http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008.html for the quiz

saltysurprise

2nd Nov 2007, 03:14 AM

From the bits I did see of the Debate recently, Obama got virtually no time, mind you, he never really piped up either. And Hillary in her smart looking pant-suit:rolleyes: was on her heals.

Coverage courtesy of Jon Stewart:lol:

DanicaRules

2nd Nov 2007, 04:24 AM

Im voting for Fred Thompson or Mike Huckabee, I cant decide yet.

EIR Loe.307

2nd Nov 2007, 04:29 AM

Im voting for Fred Thompson or Mike Huckabee, I cant decide yet.

That link I posted allows you to review each candidate side by side. They also have a quiz you answer and it tells you who meets your requirements most.

DanicaRules

2nd Nov 2007, 04:31 AM

That link I posted allows you to review each candidate side by side. They also have a quiz you answer and it tells you who meets your requirements most.

Yeah, I pretty much like what both Fred and Mike stand for so Ive narrowed it down to those 2.

Hillary would be the worst thing to happen to America.

EIR Loe.307

2nd Nov 2007, 04:59 AM

Yeah, I pretty much like what both Fred and Mike stand for so Ive narrowed it down to those 2.

Hillary would be the worst thing to happen to America.

Yea, if she makes it it will absolutly move up my move to Costa Rica to the day after the election.:sick::stop:

How bout these picks!!??

JoStream

2nd Nov 2007, 05:21 AM

How bout these picks!!??

Haha :lol:, how the hell does Colbert manage to have his hand that straight in the picture? It's like someone ironed it for him :lol:.

Al Gore is probably a good choice, he really has a lot of experience both on a domestic and international level :thumbsup:

EIR Loe.307

2nd Nov 2007, 05:26 AM

Haha :lol:, how the hell does Colbert manage to have his hand that straight in the picture? It's like someone ironed it for him :lol:.

Al Gore is probably a good choice, he really has a lot of experience both on a domestic and international level :thumbsup:

I wish we could either elect the Pres. AND Vice Pres. or like if the #2 candidate got the VP seat. That would have put Gore as VP (again) under Bush BUT he coulda kept Bush in check. I think the electoral college is a waste of time these days. We're far too educated as a whole to need someone to interpret my vote or yours.

Harakimi

2nd Nov 2007, 07:31 AM

It can't get any worse than GW Bush the dumber so it really doesn't matter me. Maybe 8 ot of 10 in the population of Europe is just waiting Bush to step out. :)

EIR Loe.307

2nd Nov 2007, 07:36 AM

It can't get any worse than GW Bush the dumber so it really doesn't matter me. Maybe 8 ot of 10 in the population of Europe is just waiting Bush to step out. :)

I actually fear that it can. I really think if Giuliani is elected we will be in Iran within the year. I'm with you on the waiting to have Bush step out. I'm following this fairly close and I'm really on edge about it.

JoStream

4th Nov 2007, 09:17 PM

We're far too educated as a whole to need someone to interpret my vote or yours.

Yea, the whole system needs to be revised. In Switzerland we have a direct democracy, but in the States it is assumed that you cannot handle decisions, so you elect representatives who make decisions on your behalf.

With the rise of media conglomerates and increasingly concentrated ownership and content, public opinion can be effectively influenced. If you guys do land in Iran next year, I'm sure that there will be a substantial percentage supporting it. Remember it won't be Bush anymore, it will be a new guy. So I guess you could call it a clean sheet :rolleyes:

EIR Loe.307

4th Nov 2007, 10:49 PM

Yea, the whole system needs to be revised. In Switzerland we have a direct democracy, but in the States it is assumed that you cannot handle decisions, so you elect representatives who make decisions on your behalf.

With the rise of media conglomerates and increasingly concentrated ownership and content, public opinion can be effectively influenced. If you guys do land in Iran next year, I'm sure that there will be a substantial percentage supporting it. Remember it won't be Bush anymore, it will be a new guy. So I guess you could call it a clean sheet :rolleyes:

I just hope Bush's last thing in office is an invasion there. I'd like to have more control on what the government does. I mean the people should be able to vote (ON EVERYTHING). do you want to pay taxes...no, do you want health care....eh, maybe.....etc.

JoStream

5th Nov 2007, 05:57 AM

I mean the people should be able to vote (ON EVERYTHING). do you want to pay taxes...no, do you want health care....eh, maybe.....etc.

That's what we do in Switzerland. But we're about 7 million people, and in the US you have what 250 million? That's probably just too much paperwork :wonder:

EIR Loe.307

5th Nov 2007, 06:12 AM

That's what we do in Switzerland. But we're about 7 million people, and in the US you have what 250 million? That's probably just too much paperwork :wonder:

True. Not everyone is over 18 and not all of those are registered voters but still. If they could have a secure electronic vote it would be great. The problem is secure. I would love to be able to vote on things like the budget or what can or can't go to the floor as a bill. I'm into that kind of stuff because I hear people complain and then in the same breath say they don't vote. :confused:

EIR Loe.307

24th Nov 2007, 11:35 AM

Mike Huckabee's latest ad. Good stuff.

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DanicaRules

24th Nov 2007, 01:40 PM

I do like that ad. I also like Mike Huckabee but unfortunately I dont think he can win.:(

EIR Loe.307

11th Dec 2007, 08:15 AM

I do like that ad. I also like Mike Huckabee but unfortunately I dont think he can win.:(

He's started to take off as of late. I'm fully onboard for Ron Paul now. I'm trying to refrain from being a nut bag about it though. I like that he is willing to say "this is what I believe BUT I'm not going to tell you what to do and I respect your ability to make your own decisions" Not many are willing to do that. For example, many are against abortion and most would want a law (federal) against it. Rudy is pro choice. Ron Paul is a Dr. sworn to protect life BUT he wants the states to decide independently what laws they want. I like his style. He's the same on drugs. "Hey they're grown adults it's their choice"

I have a personal theory on the weed issue. I don't smoke but I think you should either leagalize it or ban cigs. and booze. :rolleyes:

Krazy-K

7th Jan 2008, 10:24 PM

Seeing as the hype about the candidates is already growing a little insight on what many of these people do on the side while we're fed the garbage that they call news:

http://judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

EIR Loe.307

31st Jan 2008, 06:51 AM

So here's the latest:

Democrats:
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama

Republicans:
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Ron Paul
Mike Huckabee

Down to the final 2 and 4 so things should really start to take shape especially with Feb. 5th (Super Tuesday where more than 20 states have primaries) coming up.

saltysurprise

31st Jan 2008, 06:56 AM

So here's the latest:

You guys are screwed...:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

JoStream

31st Jan 2008, 10:43 PM

McCain is looking pretty strong. On the other hand I was disappointed to see Edwards drop out. He did not go with the flow and had some good ideas, but from what I gather he simply did not have the fundraising efficiency Obama and Clinton enjoy.

That leaves the Democrats in an interesting situation, because they have two candidates who aim to make history. It will be either the first African-American, or the first female President (assuming a Democrat wins). That makes it harder to win though, but not impossible. Remember Kennedy became the first Catholic President some 47 years ago, so it's absolutely possible.

angelamia

7th Feb 2008, 04:09 AM

it seems like no one is looking at the issues, just woman vs black, which is pretty sad. but hey, neither of them is bush.

EIR Loe.307

7th Feb 2008, 04:25 AM

it seems like no one is looking at the issues, just woman vs black, which is pretty sad. but hey, neither of them is bush.

That's because they are both so close to the same thing. Either way they are Dems and that's not good for people that want to keep their money. It looks pretty bleak on the Repub. side now though. I doubt Ron Paul will be on the ticket as Pres. or VP. I don't like any of the others now.

Ryan

7th Feb 2008, 04:29 AM

That's because they are both so close to the same thing. Either way they are Dems and that's not good for people that want to keep their money. It looks pretty bleak on the Repub. side now though. I doubt Ron Paul will be on the ticket as Pres. or VP. I don't like any of the others now.

I don't wish to be drawn into a political debate, I have enough of those in my politics class, but I must say that I find that statement highly inaccurate.

EIR Loe.307

7th Feb 2008, 04:37 AM

I don't wish to be drawn into a political debate, I have enough of those in my politics class, but I must say that I find that statement highly inaccurate.

Then you haven't done your homework.

Ryan

7th Feb 2008, 04:40 AM

Then you haven't done your homework.

Are you referring to this election? If so then you may be right.

If you're referring to Democrats in general than I maintain my position.

EIR Loe.307

7th Feb 2008, 04:48 AM

Are you referring to this election? If so then you may be right.

If you're referring to Democrats in general than I maintain my position.

I'm referring to the Dems in general. Democrats are great if you're poor and want the govt. to hand you everything. If you're not poor the dems want to take your $$ and tax you more and then take all that and spread it out to those that are poor. I will say that if we weren't in Iraq, we could spend that $$ elsewhere. Remember that the dems did nothing to prevent that though. Rebubs. are SUPPOSED to stand for less govt. less taxes, less spending, and more fairness to small business owners. These things are far better for the working class then letting people just sit home and collect welfare. Either way neither party is worth a damn right now. This is the main reason I've backed a Libertarian in Ron Paul. No IRS = no taxes (income) and a fairer tax on spending. That helps the immigration expense since an illegal immigrant doesn't pay taxes now, but if they were to buy something under new taxes they would. That means they have a little less motivation to be here. (not much though) There are SO many problems that immigration and budget can solve all while reducing the burden on the working class. These aren't the ideals of the Dems though. They want to hold everyone's hand. (Socialism?)

JoStream

8th Mar 2008, 10:58 PM

Still a close race between Clinton and Obama. I expected Obama to wrap it up, but he lost the last two states to Clinton. Now it's a bit more open again.

Some Democrats have voiced concern over potential consequences the long race might have on party unity. The Republican race is pretty much decided with McCain.

I still can't say though who would win in the general election :wonder: