FIA Announce 10 Year Engine Freeze

[EIR Loe.307]

Today I'm reading that the FIA will freeze engine development for !)YEARS after the 2008 season. WTF!?!?! This makes no sense to me at all. There are so many advancements in tech. in that time frame that could help the sport, that this seems to be the dumbest thing I've heard. I mean in 10 years we could have F1 cars running on air and smiles. This is just as bad, if not worse, for the sport as all the scandal. I think someone is TRYING to bring the value of F1 down so that it can change hands at a lower price in the future.

(You remember who said that 1st)

I, EIR Loe.307, am stating on 24Oct2007 that there is a current conspiracy to drive down the asking price for the FIA Formula One series.


Here's the link
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/10/24/fia-freezes-engine-development-for-10-years/

[DanicaRules]

Yeah, that doesnt make sense. In the racing world, teams and owners always are trying to test new equipment, etc. Maybe they will change that bad idea.

[EIR Loe.307]

Yeah, that doesnt make sense. In the racing world, teams and owners always are trying to test new equipment, etc. Maybe they will change that bad idea.

I sure hope so. IRL went to ethanol, and I'd like to see F1 start down a similar path. It doesn't seem to have hurt performance but maybe gas mileage. This day in age "going green" has come to the fore front in tech. and F1 is supposedly the top of the line in that dept. by 2018-19 F1 will be FAR behind the racing world, at least in the engine dept. :mad:

[DanicaRules]

I sure hope so. IRL went to ethanol, and I'd like to see F1 start down a similar path. It doesn't seem to have hurt performance but maybe gas mileage. This day in age "going green" has come to the fore front in tech. and F1 is supposedly the top of the line in that dept. by 2018-19 F1 will be FAR behind the racing world, at least in the engine dept. :mad:


Yeah that isnt good. I dont understand that thinking.:confused: You should always strive for improvements in racing and all sports.

Yes, when the IRL went to ethanol, it did hurt the gas mileage. See, now they can only run full out with the fuel, before they switched to the ethanol, they were able to lean and rich the gas as needed. Fuel mileage then played a bigger part in race strategy. Not as much anymore though other than timing your pit stops for fuel and how much to put in.:)

[saltysurprise]

Just look at the Troglodites running the show:rolleyes:.

I'm glad Harakimi's away right now:wonder:. Maybe we should sheild him from the news. He hate's that old bastard:lol:. (When I remember what the old bastards name is I'll fix this abomonation of a parenthisised bit of rambling:confused::lol:)

[Ryan]

Just look at the Troglodites running the show:rolleyes:.

I'm glad Harakimi's away right now:wonder:. Maybe we should sheild him from the news. He hate's that old bastard:lol:. (When I remember what the old bastards name is I'll fix this abomonation of a parenthisised bit of rambling:confused::lol:)

Mox Mosley and Bernie Eccelestone.

[saltysurprise]

Mox Mosley and Bernie Eccelestone.

I knew I could count on you for that:thumbsup: Thanks Ryan.

Troglodites they be...

[herbs]

Some brilliantly backward thinking by F1 heavies, they should be working for a government.:sick:

[hk77]

so does that mean no gain in hp or torque or even how the engines develop their power, can they make them lighter, or ise different materials atleast. seems like a real stupid idea. 1st the ban the 3 litre v10's and now freeze engine development for TEN years :mad:


I cant think of one valid reason, on how this engine freeze could help f1 or even viewer ratings.
I think it 's time that max & bernie hand the reigns to the younger generation.

[NetOz]

Well this supid ideia can only happen because of two idiots, Bernie and Max Mosley....

F1 fans will be very happy if both of them retire

[EIR Loe.307]

I think the STR had it right with the restricted V-10. F1 isn't supposed to be cheap. If you want a cheap alternative to F1 go to GP2, Champ Car, A1GP, any of the countless formula series or even IRL (which isn't the same but hey). F1 is the "pinnacle of motorsport" and part of it is the glitz and glamour that surrounds the sport. About 3 years ago Schumi was THE highest paid athelete in the world ahead of Tiger Woods. That's a butt load of $$ just in the driver dept. I don't know why the sport is being "cheapened". It could be back to my original conspiracy though. :eek:

[saltysurprise]

This may seem like a stupid question, so bear with me...

Aren't there other stake holders other than the 2 old farts? I understand it's not a publicly traded corporation, as are all the motorsports I can think of:wonder:.

Is there not anyone at all in the upper echelon than can obviously see this is the dumbest idea EVER!!:confused: Or are these two SOOO important and all-knowing, that no-one has the balls to tell them they are out of their geriatric minds?

You may be onto something Tex, but why on earth would they want to dump it for a loss? This makes absolutely no sense at all. I'm no finacial guru (that's an understatement:rolleyes::lol:) but something doesn't add up...

[EIR Loe.307]

You may be onto something Tex, but why on earth would they want to dump it for a loss? This makes absolutely no sense at all. I'm no finacial guru (that's an understatement:rolleyes::lol:) but something doesn't add up...

Not dump it for a loss, buy a bigger stake at a much lower price. Then get back to the real business and drive it back up in value selling it at a MUCH higher profit.

[saltysurprise]

Not dump it for a loss, buy a bigger stake at a much lower price. Then get back to the real business and drive it back up in value selling it at a MUCH higher profit.

My bad, I missed something in translation:lol:

I think someone is TRYING to bring the value of F1 down so that it can change hands at a lower price in the future.

(You remember who said that 1st)

I, EIR Loe.307, am stating on 24Oct2007 that there is a current conspiracy to drive down the asking price for the FIA Formula One series.




It's a good thing I don't know much about big money, because you have me sooo confused:lol:

[EIR Loe.307]

My bad, I missed something in translation:lol:
Blah, blah blah

I figure if he drives the asking price down his other investors may want to bail thus allowing Bernie and Max to buy larger stakes at a much reduced cost.

[saltysurprise]

I figure if he drives the asking price down his other investors may want to bail thus allowing Bernie and Max to buy larger stakes at a much reduced cost.

Got it:thumbsup:

Scoundrels I tells ya!:mad:

[JoStream]

seems like a real stupid idea. 1st the ban the 3 litre v10's and now freeze engine development for TEN years :mad:

I can't agree more. It's a ridiculously long period for a freeze. You can't help wonder whether the FIA is passing legislation just to have some justification for the checks they are handing out :mad:

[DanicaRules]

Well, try to be optimistic, they could change thier minds and throw this freeze out.:o

[saltysurprise]

There's some contradiction going on here.

www.worldracingforum.com/showthread.php?t=2045

Max has clearly lost his marbles. So what's what? There's a big 2 year void of info. If he wants Hybrids by '08, and a freeze on testing in '10... Then what?:confused: (Loes theory aside;))

[EIR Loe.307]

Maybe over the course of the next 2 seasons they will make the changes to go to hybrid and then lock it up. Still the 2 things together don't make any sense at all. :confused:

[Harakimi]

Freezing engine development for 10 years is not going to happen, just believe me. 10 years is far too long perioid for this kind of sport. I'm pretty sure that within few years F1 will decrease the engine size, bring in the turbo's and maybe some hybrid power technology also.

[NetOz]

Freezing engine development for 10 years is not going to happen, just believe me. 10 years is far too long perioid for this kind of sport. I'm pretty sure that within few years F1 will decrease the engine size, bring in the turbo's and maybe some hybrid power technology also.

you read my mind, that is what i also think, but not the turbo part :lol:

[hk77]

honestly i think this engine freeze will not be effective for the 10 years.

eventually their predessesors will change this stupid idea.

[Harakimi]

According to the Autosport.com F1 teams have decided in a meeting on friday that engine freeze will be only 5 years long. New engines will be seen at 2013 then... :thumbsup:

[EIR Loe.307]

Better than 10 but still a long time. :rolleyes:

[DanicaRules]

Would it be feasible to have a budget cap on a team instead of an engine freeze ?:confused:

[CWBeattie]

IMHO I think they should be helping to develop hydrogen technologies, what better forum to showcase it as a relatively safe clean alternative to conventional gasoline! They could probably get grants from the G8 gov'ts. An engine freeze at a time when there should really be a quantum leap, just doesn't make sense.

[EIR Loe.307]

Would it be feasible to have a budget cap on a team instead of an engine freeze ?:confused:

I think the freeze is to homologize the technology and then move into other types of development. Sort of like a standardization of certain parts of the car. They just went to a standard ECU so there are more things to follow suit with that.

IMHO I think they should be helping to develop hydrogen technologies, what better forum to showcase it as a relatively safe clean alternative to conventional gasoline!

Hydrogen sounds great until you look at how it really works. It is HORRIBLY in-efficient. It takes huge plants to mfg. the hydrogen which essentially negates all the positives in running on it. It takes fossil fuels to produce meaning it's really no better. Ethanol has a similar problem in that it takes more fossil fuels to make it than it's replacing. Right now things like energy recovery and solar and bio-diesel are the only things that net you more clean energy than it takes to create them. I don't see F1 using McDonald's fryer grease any time soon though. :rolleyes:

[Radar]

According to the Autosport.com F1 teams have decided in a meeting on friday that engine freeze will be only 5 years long. New engines will be seen at 2013 then... :thumbsup:

Five years is far to long in any motorsport. Technology changes every year and in my opinion F1 is about leading changes not about remaining still.:banghead:

[alonso5]

this is a pointless and silly idea