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EIR Loe.307
6th Dec 2007, 12:16 AM
Nick Heidfeld has expressed his concerns about the future of F1 and safety. With the possible return of slicks, no TC, and an aero package that will cut downforce (aero) in half, and no tire warmers, he fears chaos. There has been quite a bit of 2009 setup testing (an issue for later) to see what impact these changes will have.

"Today, we ran with the 2009 downforce package, which will be around half as effective as the one we're driving with this season. If the slicks return, they won't give as much grip as you'd expect as we will also lose grip as there is less downforce, so we will be slower in 2009."

If it will stay like this and the tyres will stay like this, it will be extremely dangerous in 2009," he warned. "On my outlap I even thought about coming back in, because there were so many drivers flying past me. You feel like you're standing still compared to the others and it's very easy to spin the car. It's very, very dangerous."

Heidfeld suggested a better tyre might be the answer for more downforce in 2009 but isn't sure if that is going to happen. "Bridgestone could turn this around by making better tyres, but the question is: does it make sense for them?" Heidfeld said. "If there's another tyre supplier and there is competition, it would be solved. If the tyres become softer, it will help a lot. But I'm not a tyre expert, maybe the mixture of the compound should change, but like this, it will be extremely dangerous. They should change the tyres, or they should allow tyre heaters for 2009."

Next season the FIA will ban traction control on cars to make the races more exciting. But with the aero rules for 2009 and perhaps the return of slicks Heidfeld believes things won't get much easier. "Without traction control it's even worse, but if we would run with traction control (in 2009), it would still be very, very difficult. Even if the tyres are hot, you have so little grip with the new package. We have too much power and too little grip. I don't like it at all," a disappointed Heidfeld said.

My other point is this. With a new season coming up why are these teams all testing for 2009? This seems to be where the FIA needs to have a set of cars and test drivers so that they can test independent of the season rather than occupy teams time just prior to a season. Hell, let Prodrive be the "official test team" for 2008.

Ryan
6th Dec 2007, 12:29 AM
My reply to Nick: "Tough, If you don't want to do it there's probably a dozen qualified drivers who will."

Unfortunately racing is no longer about what the drivers want. It's all about putting on a good show for the fans. And in the last few what has actually been seen on the track has been rather boring, and it seems like the FIA is finally starting to realize that rolling computers don't make for good racing.

Harakimi
6th Dec 2007, 12:32 AM
The aero rules for 2009 are close to ones in early 90's. But back then the cars were wider, and tyres were wider also... Anyways, whatever the rules will be, the drivers adapt to that. Now it's just so different because what I think that now we are witnessing the "treehugger" era when everything is SAFE and EASY. Quick Nick isn't that quick anymore, and maybe he is afraid of his position, if he can't adapt to the incoming rules for F1, I'm not going to miss him. ;)

EIR Loe.307
6th Dec 2007, 12:44 AM
I agree that drivers need to adapt. I think that SOME green tech is good but it is racing. The energy recovery is a good idea and looking for ways to cut back on pollution while MAINTAINING the race worthyness of the car is important. If there was a way to supplement some of the engine power with electric of something like that then great. You have to set a benchmark though. (900hp no matter how you get there, etc.) If you get it with a V8 that also has some electric hybrid to it great. Once it starts to get in the way of the racing though that's too far.

JoStream
6th Dec 2007, 12:59 AM
Now it's just so different because what I think that now we are witnessing the "treehugger" era when everything is SAFE and EASY. Quick Nick isn't that quick anymore, and maybe he is afraid of his position, if he can't adapt to the incoming rules for F1, I'm not going to miss him. ;)

I agree that drivers need to adapt.

Couldn't agree more :). Heidfeld's "concerns" are getting on my nerves, because they are usually farfetched. It's too early to really understand how exactly the suggested changes will impact the overall speed of Formula 1 cars. On paper, it looks fine otherwise it would not have passed :rolleyes:

If the cars are slower, how can that be more dangerous? Wasn't that the very purpose of this new FIA regulation? And why is he comparing his car with the other cars on the track that are not running the 09 aero package? :rolleyes: :stop:

Harakimi
6th Dec 2007, 12:59 AM
Yea but Heidfeld is crying about driving being too dangerous without tc and current aerodynamics...man he could go and drive the piggy-train at the amusement park. :lol:

Ryan
6th Dec 2007, 01:31 AM
If the cars are slower, how can that be more dangerous? Wasn't that the very purpose of this new FIA regulation?

What he means is there are going to be more crashes because the cars are harder to drive.

Senna made similar comments before the 1994 season...:wonder:

JoStream
6th Dec 2007, 02:35 AM
What he means is there are going to be more crashes because the cars are harder to drive.

Senna made similar comments before the 1994 season...:wonder:

You can't compare Senna's time with today. I think the steps the FIA is taking are great to give drivers more work to do in the cockpit. Traction control and driving aids are elements of Formula 1 I was never convinced of :wonder:

CWBeattie
6th Dec 2007, 09:08 PM
They always say the changes will result in slower cars, but the engineers always find a way around it!

Harakimi
9th Jan 2008, 09:02 AM
Kimi had a nice comment about TC at Fiorano when Ferrari presented the F2008.

"When tc ain't helping you, it's just going to be more fun. I believe that there will be more opportunities to ovetake when drivers are making mistakes."

When Heidfeld, Coulthard and some others are whining about how dangerous things will get, Kimi ain't shaking in his pants.

"Driving a F1 car is anyways dangerous, tc or not. If you become careful, then you are in the wrong sport. Driving is going to be more difficult for sure because now you have to be awake all the time."

:star::star::star::star::star::thumbsup:

EIR Loe.307
9th Jan 2008, 06:33 PM
Driving is going to be more difficult for sure because now you have to be awake all the time."

Yeah Kimi, no falling asleep while in the lead. Does anyone remember that?!?!?! His radio was out and he was leading the race handily and nearly fell asleep in the car!! :eek:

Ryan
9th Jan 2008, 06:41 PM
Yeah Kimi, no falling asleep while in the lead. Does anyone remember that?!?!?! His radio was out and he was leading the race handily and nearly fell asleep in the car!! :eek:

Yeah that was at the season opener in Australia. I've done that before...Albeit in video games.

Some of the endurance races in Gran Tourismo were so boring...

CWBeattie
9th Jan 2008, 07:39 PM
The 2009 specs, should make for some interesting starts that's for sure, everyone racing for the first corner on relatively cold tyres with half the downforce. Just means the drivers have to earn they're paychecks. Hopefully nobody gets hurt!

hk77
15th Jan 2008, 11:20 AM
seeems that Heidfeld changed his views concerning the dangers on non-TC racing.

anyway the ban on TC should entertain us viewers more.
Seriously soe of the drivers are ruining the image of F1 by acting like kids. IMO i think the should ban all the electronic aids and back to manual gear changes and slicks.

alonso5
23rd Jan 2008, 10:24 AM
heidfeld should just get on with his job and stop complaining. he does have a point though that bridgestone have no incentive to improve there run of the mill tyres which is very lsrge dstep backwards from the competitive tyre war years