Should I Race in NASCAR as the Next Step?

[Fahad_H]

Soon, you will see me racing in NASCAR, I will be the team mate of one of the leading drivers :confused:

More details will be published, if confirmed.

[EIR Loe.307]

If you start racing NASCAR, I'll start watching. :eek:

[Lizardfolk]

I dont know if this is a joke, a parody or a completely serious statement. (Please dont take offense to what I said because I dont really know you).

Are you serious?

What team?

[EIR Loe.307]

I dont know if this is a joke, a parody or a completely serious statement. (Please dont take offense to what I said because I dont really know you).

Are you serious?

What team?

Fahad is the real deal!

[Lizardfolk]

Fahad is the real deal!

I know he races in real life. I looked up his stats. But NASCAR?

[EIR Loe.307]

I know he races in real life. I looked up his stats. But NASCAR?

Ok, well you have a point. :lol::lol:

[Fahad_H]

I got an offer from a top team (top three in Craftsman Trucks) to race in NASCAR Camping and training on the Craftsman Trucks until I am qualified to race in the top NASCAR leagues, then will do some races in the Sprint Cup, Nationwide and Craftsman Truck depends on my license and qualifications. Then when I am fully qualified I will be full time in Craftsman Truck series.

The budget set for me covers the first year of racing in NASCAR Camping, training in Craftsman Truck, some races in the top three leagues. So being full time in NASCAR is not guaranteed without more sponsorship.


Currently I am working to get into British F3, BTCC, and Middle East V8 and F3.

Is it the right decision to leave the UK and the Middle East and pursue a career in USA as a NASCAR driver?

[Harakimi]

Is it the right decision to leave the UK and the Middle East and pursue a career in USA as a NASCAR driver?

I think it's not our business to do decicions about your career, it's your life man :D. If you hit NASCAR then you will propably be under media pressure and other shit because you're a foreigner and what will piss the rednecks off the most, you're from middle east. ;)

[DanicaRules]

Personally Fahad, I would do it. I think the USA coverage of you over here in NASCAR would take you farther in your career, not to mention if you get successful, it means more sponsors and more money.:thumbsup:

[Blazing Lion]

I wish you all the best for the future.

[NetOz]

Wow, if you start racing in Nascar i'm going to see it thats for sure :D

Good luck :)

[EIR Loe.307]

As cool as it would be to see you in NASCAR, I agree with Harakimi, you being from the middle east and in a redneck sport will be a HUGE challenge. You will literally have a-holes calling you a terrorist and blaming you at every chance for everything. Look at the way Montoya gets treated and he's from a "friendly" country (as far as rednecks go) and he raced in the US for quite some time before. Either way you go, the WRF crew has your back. :thumbsup: FYI, if you DO go NASCAR I'll be front row in a Fahad shirt yelling at the top of my lungs, getting in fights with hillbillies. :whistling: :lol:

[Dunk]

Good luck Fahad, hope you do well!

[JoStream]

The challenges that have been mentioned throughout this thread are valid and should definitely be considered. It's a difficult decision, and I'm glad you are getting some feedback from the WRF Community in addition to the others that are working with you.

If you do decide to take the NASCAR path, racial or discriminatory hurdles aside, it will not lead to Formula 1. You know that better than I do. You have more possibilities in the Middle East and Europe. Gives you as a racer at the beginning of his racing career more flexibility. But what it comes down to is where you passion is. You can always jump to NASCAR later on.

From the time I've known you at the WRF, and from you posts in the past, I think you love single-seater cars on 'juicy' circuits like Monte Carlo or Spa. And NASCAR is not going to give you any of that :)

[Dunk]

Just a question what race series do you normanly race in ?

[Fahad_H]

I always wanted to race in the USA, because it's the only place to make good money in racing. But I want to build myself internationally, and the USA is a different world. Because of the contract I was offered doesn't guarantee full time racing in one of the three top NASCAR leagues, it's hard for me to leave every thing I built and go chase a dream that might not come true.

I have potentials to race in British F3, and other major championships in Europe and the Middle East. So the only thing that would let me leave everything and move to another world, where I will be separated from the F1 field in Europe and the Middle East, is a full time drive contract in the highest league with good money. I am willing to put up with all the hassle in the USA for a year or two to make a name internationally and good money to help me progress in my career when I am back to Europe.

I will ask the team to get back to me with a full time drive contract in Craftsman Truck Series, which should include one year of training to qualify for a full season. Other than that, it's not worth it to move for local NASCAR, and few races in the top league.


Thank you very much for your support,


Just a question what race series do you normanly race in ?

Australian V8 Middle East
Formula Ford Middle East
Testing British F3, hoping for a drive this season and 2009

[EIR Loe.307]

I think you're on the right track with that idea. You will make more progress in open wheel by competing in Europe. What about ALMS???

[DarkLord]

if u want to build international career in racing IMO stay away from NASCRAP :D

try some other series in UK. i didnt knew racism was this much high in US :(

[saltysurprise]

i didnt knew racism was this much high in US :(

It really depends on where in the US you are. Fortunately, it's not nearly as bad as it was, even 20 years ago. But unfortunately, it still thrives in the minds of the ignorant and scared. And it's not just in the US. We have racist bozos here in Canada too, just like they do all over the globe. But you're right, racism is alive and thriving in many parts of the American south, and to a lesser extent the midwest and east.

Whatever you decide to do Fahad, we'll all back you, and cheer for you, whatever you do:finishfirst: Coming to the States would certainly be an experience. I just hope it's a positive one:thumbsup:

[EIR Loe.307]

It really depends on where in the US you are. .......racism is alive and thriving in many parts of the American south, and to a lesser extent the midwest and east.

Black / White racism may be more alive in the south, but after 9/11 the whole country went retarded. Hell, they are trying to paint Obama as a black separatist muslim.

Either way Fahad, you have fans already. If your heart is in open wheel, your best bet is to stay away from NASCAR, if you are worried about securing a pro-ride then maybe taking the NASCAR seat would be ok.

[Lizardfolk]

As cool as it would be to see you in NASCAR, I agree with Harakimi, you being from the middle east and in a redneck sport will be a HUGE challenge. You will literally have a-holes calling you a terrorist and blaming you at every chance for everything. Look at the way Montoya gets treated and he's from a "friendly" country (as far as rednecks go) and he raced in the US for quite some time before. Either way you go, the WRF crew has your back. :thumbsup: FYI, if you DO go NASCAR I'll be front row in a Fahad shirt yelling at the top of my lungs, getting in fights with hillbillies. :whistling: :lol:

Well, I'd like to mention that Montoya completely enjoyed his time in NASCAR. Ganassi mentioned that Montoya was a bit depressed when he moved over from F1, but Montoya's teammate Sorenson and Stremme made his time in NASCAR very VERY enjoyable (straight out of Ganassi's mouth). And I also noticed that at one of the NASCAR races Montoya was playing piggyback with Sorenson...I know...weird...but hey....:D

While this may be an extreme case. I have yet to hear of a foreign driver to experience racism in NASCAR. Even Jacques Villeneuve formed a bond with his crew in BDR and JV is not exactly the most likable guy.

But what others have said may be true as well. Montoya and Villeneuve's experiences may be extremes and the fact that you are middle eastern will definitely not help. As for the redneck thing. Keep one thing in mind.

In NASCAR there are about 50 drivers. I made an exact head count on those who are from the south (and not all southerners are rednecks) and only 20 drivers are from the south. NASCAR fans and NASCAR participants are two completely separate entities.

If you join I can guarantee you that some "hardcore" redneck fans will be racist. Montoya enjoyed his time in NASCAR but fans dont enjoy seeing Montoya in NASCAR.

Coming from someone who watches NASCAR, I can tell you two things:

If you want to have a shot at driving in F1: STAY IN EUROPE AND STAY AWAY FROM THE US.

If money and exposure matters more than join NASCAR. The great thing about being in NASCAR is that you are not necessarily bound to stock car racing the whole time. Teams in the Rolex Sports Car series are always open to NASCAR drivers and I've even seen NASCAR drivers cross over to ALMS for a few races.

IMO the only reason why you wouldn't want to go over to NASCAR is: 1. You want a shot at F1 and be an open wheel racer. 2. You're worried about potential racism. Besides that NASCAR would be a good choice.

I got an offer from a top team (top three in Craftsman Trucks)

Would you mind telling me what team that is?

[EIR Loe.307]

Lemme clarify, I mean the fans. I'm sure the actual teams are far better. Sorry for any confusion. I hear on all kinds of shows about the fans complaining about "foreign driver" blah blah. They are already complaining about the Canada and US NASCAR races and when you talk about Europe OMFG you'd think they peed on the American flag.

[Fahad_H]

I don't think I have a chance in being F1 driver, but hoping for a test driving role and still compete full time in other championships.

The only series that would work for me in the USA is ALMS, and I want to make a career there one day.

For now what make me consider NASCAR is fortune and fame that would help me to race somewhere I like if I didn't enjoy NASCAR.

So, in NASCAR I will gain money and fame, but not skill. In F3 and other mid class championships, I will gain skill, no money or fame.

This is the hard decision, money & fame or skill?

I don't know how bad racism would effect me, I am very calm and patient person, and I am very good in dealing with positive and negative fans. If it come physical, I can take care of myself, don't be fooled by my small build :D

If I moved to the USA, I will live in Iredell County, North Carolina.

I have many friends all over the USA, and relatives in Texas and Oregon. Hopefully they are all I need to support me during my racing there :finishfirst:

I asked the team to get back to me with a longer contract to secure a full time drive in Craftsman Truck Series, and I am ready to sign.


Would you mind telling me what team that is?

Just give me few weeks until it's official, and I will post everything on the forum.

Thank you very much,

[EIR Loe.307]

I would have to think I'd want to go with the more secure drive. NASCAR MAY lead to an ALMS ride later.

[Harakimi]

Could it be possible for you to do some nascar oval racing and during the same time race some ALMS GT or GT2 type cars in road courses?

[Dunk]

Personally I would race in F3 but its just my opinion. You could try out a few Nascar races if you don't like it go back to F3. I would prefer to have the skill than the fame and the money, Yes fame and money is nice to have but I would still prefer to have the skill.

[Lizardfolk]

Skill wise it depends. IMO ovals should be an entirely separate discipline than circuits. You dont say "oh F1 driver has more skill than WRC drivers". You can't really compare them together in the same context. IMO it's the same with ovals. Because they are two different skill sets.

I would have to think I'd want to go with the more secure drive. NASCAR MAY lead to an ALMS ride later.

That's very true. Like I said, the American sports car series are open to NASCAR drivers.

Could it be possible for you to do some nascar oval racing and during the same time race some ALMS GT or GT2 type cars in road courses?

Jimmie Johnson did it. But full time in both series is not possible.

[Fahad_H]

I would have to think I'd want to go with the more secure drive. NASCAR MAY lead to an ALMS ride later.

I agree, it's better to be in a secured contract than to stay at home chasing dreams.

Could it be possible for you to do some nascar oval racing and during the same time race some ALMS GT or GT2 type cars in road courses?

It's very important for me to be a full time in a championship, this way I will build my image with a championship.
Being a full time in NASCAR, I don't think I would have time for any more races, with 25 race weekends in the Truck Series, some months have four race weekends. Not to mention the other top NASCAR leagues with over 30 race weekends.
But of course I would love to do some major races in ALMS and Rolex.

Personally I would race in F3 but its just my opinion. You could try out a few Nascar races if you don't like go back to F3. I would prefer to have the skill than the fame and the money, Yes fame and money is nice to have but I would still prefer to have the skill.

This was my plan and what I've been saying all the time that I would build my skill before I become tempted by money and move to the USA, but when the money was offered, I totally changed my mind.

Skill wise it depends. IMO ovals should be an entirely separate discipline than circuits. You dont say "oh F1 driver has more skill than WRC drivers". You can't really compare them together in the same context. IMO it's the same with ovals. Because they are two different skill sets.



Because my goal is circuit racing, I am afraid that my skill for this type of racing wouldn't progress and it may decrease.

As I said, I am waiting for the team to offer me a secured deal for the Trucks series, and I am ready for it. If I liked it, I would stay. If not, I would just finish a full season then move somewhere else.

Wish the team get back to me soon, and I will post on the forum ASAP.

Thank you very much,

[Lizardfolk]

As I said, I am waiting for the team to offer me a secured deal for the Trucks series, and I am ready for it. If I liked it, I would stay. If not, I would just finish a full season then move somewhere else.

Wish the team get back to me soon, and I will post on the forum ASAP.

Thank you very much,

Understandable, I wish you the best of luck Fahal and hopefully we'll see a new face in the NASCAR winner's circle ;)

[JoStream]

Do you have anything to share yet Fahad? ;)

[Fahad_H]

No update about the NASCAR deal, but I have another deal going on. Let's wait for the official press release. :D

Thank you very much,

[DarkLord]

No update about the NASCAR deal, but I have another deal going on. Let's wait for the official press release. :D

Thank you very much,


dont tell me u r replacing DC in redbull next year :lol:

Goodluck with you deal :)