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    Conspiracy Theory....

    OK, so there was some discussion on various forums before Brazil as to if Brawn would make RB let JB pass, if it came to that. We all know Ross did exactly that back in the MS/RB Ferrari days.

    So, we have a radio communication from the Brawn team to RB (in the clear, not encoded), telling him he has a puncture, apparently before RB has noticed this for himself.

    Has FIA or anyone actually seen the telemetry that proved RB actually had a puncture?

    Just sayin........

    Discuss, please.

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    I haven't seen it, but this is why I don't like F1. It's a joke, nothing but a joke. How drivers can take pride in their wins when this kind of stuff happens is beyond me. I have very little respect for F1 as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodog View Post
    OK, so there was some discussion on various forums before Brazil as to if Brawn would make RB let JB pass, if it came to that. We all know Ross did exactly that back in the MS/RB Ferrari days.

    So, we have a radio communication from the Brawn team to RB (in the clear, not encoded), telling him he has a puncture, apparently before RB has noticed this for himself.

    Has FIA or anyone actually seen the telemetry that proved RB actually had a puncture?

    Just sayin........

    Discuss, please.
    Earlier this year Ruben felt he was hard done by the team and squawked rather loudly about being treated unfairly, if the team mentioned that he had a flat tire, you can bet that if he did not feel it, he would have questioned it, and I'm sure he would feel it even if the tire only lost a few pounds.
    I recall feeling something wrong on my car that turned out be something that gave about 1/8" of play on a rear wheel and I thought I was about to loose a wheel, I was no F1 driver, so you can imagine how much more attuned an F1 driver is. In my case it was a cracked hub between the inner and outer bearing, that was repaired before the race, luckily it happened during practice and qualifying and not during a race.

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    whether he had a puncture or not it wouldn't have done any difference. jenson would still have become world champion - barrichello at the time was fourth (5pts) and jenson(3pts) was sixth

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    sblinx,
    you are correct. Sorry to have cast doubt on Brawn. Since posting that, I found the FIA lap-by-lap timing and scoring chart, and it does show that Button had the championship in hand before Rubens' puncture. The commentary also make a strong case that it was contact by Hamilton as he passed Rubens for 3rd that caused the deflation. Hammy was also radioed to say he had front wing damage just after the pass.

    I agree "team orders" or subterfuge to get around the ban on "team orders" detract from the sport. Despite its flaws, I still find F1 interesting and compelling and by far the pinnacle of technology and driver skill in motorsport.

    Anytime the money gets as big as it is in F1, hijinks are bound to occur.

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    No pure clue here but I was told once it takes three for a full on conspiracy, and I can see this as looking pretty bad, so my question would be - who is the third to chime in here?

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    I wasn't aware of the questions surrounding the race mentioned above. Do things like that happen very often?

    I have read a bit about Tim Glock having a slower lap time for Lewis Hamilton in the 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix.

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    Well, until recently, team orders were an accepted part of the sport. There was a time when, if the #1 driver crashed or his car failed, the #2 driver would hop out and hand the car over to #1.

    A few years ago, Brawn instructed Rubens to let Micheal pass on the last lap of a race, and it caused a lot of complaints, so the FIA outlawed 'team orders'. So, now the teams, at times, practice subterfuge to achieve their team goals. A slight fumble on a key pit stop, changing up fueling strategy, etc. to get their #1 driver in front of the #2 driver. In his Ferrari days, you could have absolutely bet on Brawn finding a way to get his championship-leader in front of his teammate in the situation we saw last weekend.... even if, at that moment, the championship seemed to be won. He would never leave to chance what he could actively optimize.

    A more concerning trend is that of cheating. It may have happened all along, but its current high visibility to the public is really damaging to the sport. Schumacher 'crashing' (effectively parking his car on track) to prevent the car behind him, on a quicker lap, from out-qualifying him. A Ferrari engineer selling secrets to McLaren. Renault instructing their #2 to crash, and bring out a safety car, etc.

    As for Timo/Lewis/Massa last year, I cannot see why Timo would give up a spot to help Lewis win the championship. But, it could be. But, that is conjecture, while the clear fact is he was skating around on dry tires in the rain.
    Last edited by turbodog; 26th Oct 2009 at 12:32 PM.


 

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