Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read
World Racing Forum - Formula 1 news and forums - Nascar News


Go Back   World Racing Forum - Formula 1 news and forums - Nascar News > Racing Sidelines > World Racing History


» WRF Video Pick
» WRF Current Poll
Hirvonen or Loeb for WRC 2009 Champ?
» WRF F1 Tipping
1. Dunk (582)
2. Harakimi (565)
3. NetOz (553)
4. saltysurprise (544)
5. Fahad_H(490)
» WRF Batracer

1st Prize: $10+ GC
» WRF RSS Feed
WRF Latest Posts
Champ Car News
Poll: Who Is Responsible for the 1990 F3 Decisive Crash in Macau?
Poll Options
Who Is Responsible for the 1990 F3 Decisive Crash in Macau?

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 20th Jul 2006, 10:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
JoStream
Lurkers
 
Posts: n/a
WRF Case 1: M. Schumacher vs. Hakkinen - Macau 1990 (Open)

The following is a rare footage from the on-track battle between Michael Schumacher and Mika Hakkinen at Macau 1990 during their Formula 3 times.



Take a close look at it, and as a collective group, we will attempt to find which party is guilty, that is if there is a guilty party.
  Reply With Quote
Old 20th Jul 2006, 08:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
F1 Today
Lurkers
 
Posts: n/a
I’ve seen this clip a few times before, and I still believe that Mika Hakkinen is to blame because he pulled out too late to overtake Schumacher. I can’t see how he was going to make the overtake work.
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st Jul 2006, 08:25 AM   #3 (permalink)
JoStream
Lurkers
 
Posts: n/a
This is one view of the Macau incident as described by Ville Kopu of Finland:

Quote:
During the final laps through the heat Schumacher made a mistake and Hakkinen was right on his gearbox coming on to the main straight. With both men going at around 200 km/h, Hakkinen attempted a pass. Apparently, that did not fit in with Schumacher's plans, and he blocked Hakkinen on the straight. The two cars made contact, and Hakkinen lost a front wing, spinning into the barrier. Schumacher cruised into a victory without a rear wing.

This Macau incident was not a championship decider. But looking back retrospectively, the pattern of Schumacher's behaviour when under great pressure can be traced back all the way to Macau 1990, including the inevitable interviews after the race, where Schumacher is quick to blame his rival for the incident. In Macau, he said that Hakkinen was simply crazy to not just follow him conveniently to the checkered flag, and win on aggregated times...
It seems very peculiar to me that Mika Hakkinen gained more speed through slipstream than he expected.

Lincoln Chan offers the following explanation in his article about the history of the Macau GP:

Quote:
However, on the last corner of the last lap, Schumacher deliberately exposed an opening for Hakkinen to pass. But when Hakkinen drove through it to take the lead, Schumacher slammed his car into the Flying Finn and knocked him out of the race. Hakkinen was forced to retire right in front of the finish line.
Mika Hakkinen himself said:

Quote:
All I need to do was finish second behind Michael. That was my plan, and it was easy. Then Michael made a mistake coming out of the corner onto the straight and I had no problem passing him. He moved over on my before the braking area and we touched. Afterwards he said he was very sorry because he hadn't seen me in his mirrors. I accept that and it was over. A few days later, I saw an interview with Michael on Eurosport after the race. He said in the interview that when he saw me in his mirrors, he changed his line to block me....I will always remember that
This coincides with my impression that Schumacher seems to become slightly slower towards the end of the straight, the incident Hakkinen moves over.

As a result, it seems to me that Michael Schumacher moved inwards to block Hakkinen in the braking zone (the end of the straight), leaving the Finn no choice but to smash into his rear.
:shock:
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st Jul 2006, 07:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
F1 Today
Lurkers
 
Posts: n/a
If Hakkinen’s plan was to finish second, why was he so close to Schumacher throughout the whole clip?
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st Jul 2006, 07:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
JoStream
Lurkers
 
Posts: n/a
He had to stay within 3 seconds of Schumacher, and if you're presented with an opportunity (i.e. Schuey mistake), why wouldn't you take it?
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st Jul 2006, 08:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
F1 Today
Lurkers
 
Posts: n/a
Of course you would go for the gap, but then you wouldn’t be sticking to the plan. He chose to go against the plan and lost out.
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st Jul 2006, 08:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
Anthony
Lurkers
 
Posts: n/a
Schumacher doesn't make mistakes
  Reply With Quote
Old 21st Jul 2006, 11:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
JoStream
Lurkers
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Of course you would go for the gap, but then you wouldn’t be sticking to the plan. He chose to go against the plan and lost out.
That's true, but would you have really braked if you had the chance, not knowing that Michael is the kind of person that would not let you pass? If Michael had a loose wheel nut and was running half the usual speed, would you stay behind him and watch the rest of the field pass? You're right, he saw a chance that he really didn't need to make use of, but in the end he did. The question is who was to blame for the collision itself :?

Quote:
Schumacher doesn't make mistakes
Well he personally admits he's made mistakes, and there's not enough space to list them, but let me take the most recent one: I'm assuming the Monaco incident was because of the tyres, right?
  Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Jul 2006, 09:53 AM   #9 (permalink)
carlramskill
Lurkers
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoStream
I'm assuming the Monaco incident was because of the tyres, right?
It was because Minardi has resorted to witchcraft to win a race.
  Reply With Quote
Old 26th Jan 2007, 08:48 PM   #10 (permalink)
JoStream
Lurkers
 
Posts: n/a
A WRF verdict is pending. Are there any more views on the incident before the issue is put the vote?

So if anybody has some more insight, please go ahead and share
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Schumacher Laughs at Hakkinen during Press Conference JoStream World Racing History 7 21st Sep 2009 07:54 AM
Sebring Open Test Driverdb Champ Car World Series 4 6th Feb 2008 06:58 AM
Name That Corner #6 (Bonus Still Open) EIR Loe.307 World Racing History 21 24th Dec 2007 02:36 AM
Macau F3 Grand Prix 2007 Driverdb Other Open-Wheel Motorsports 18 19th Nov 2007 09:17 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® | Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright © 2006-2009 | World Racing Forum | All Rights Reserved